1014. And for that reason you did not think it necessary to increase the official lookout?
- No, sir.
1015. And that was not done?
- No, sir.
1016. From 6 until 10 o'clock was the captain on the bridge at all?
- Yes, sir.
1017. When did he arrive?
- Five minutes to 9.
1018. Five minutes to 9?
- Yes, sir.
1019. But he was not there from 6 o'clock until five minutes of 9?
- I did not see him, sir.
1020. You would have seen him if he had been there, would you not?
- If he had been actually on the bridge, yes, I should have seen him.
1021. You did not see him?
- I did not see him.
1022. And you were there during all that time?
- During all that time.
1023. When he came to the bridge at five minutes of 9 what did he say to you or what did you say to him? Who spoke first?
- I could not say, sir. Probably one of us said "Good evening."
1024. But you do not know who?
- No.
1025. Was anything else said?
- Yes. We spoke about the weather; calmness of the sea; the clearness; about the time we should be getting up toward the vicinity of the ice and how we should recognize it if we should see it - freshening up our minds as to the indications that ice gives of its proximity. We just conferred together, generally, for 25 minutes.
1026. For 20 or 25 minutes?
- Yes, sir.
1027. Was any reference made at that time to the wireless message from the Amerika?
- Capt. Smith made a remark that if it was in a slight degree hazy there would be no doubt we should have to go very slowly.
1028. Did you slow up?
- That I do not know, sir.
1029. You would have known if it had been done, would you not, during your watch?
- Not necessarily so, sir.
1030. Who would give the command?
- The commander would send orders down to the chief engineer to reduce her by so many revolutions.
1031. Through a megaphone?
- No, sir; by word of hand.
1032. By speaking tube?
- No; by word of hand; notes.
1033. Did you see anything of that kind done?
- No, sir; I did not see it on the bridge.
1034. And the captain was on the bridge?
- Yes, sir.
1035. How long did he remain on the bridge after coming there at 5 minutes of 9?
- He remained there until about 20 minutes past 9, or something like that.
1036. About 20 minutes past 9?
- About 25 minutes altogether.
1037. Then did he leave the bridge?
- He left the bridge.
1038. With any special injunction upon you?
- Yes, sir.
1039. What did he say?
- "If in the slightest degree doubtful, let me know."
1040. What did you say to him?
- "All right, sir."
1041. You kept the ship on its course?
- Yes, sir.
1042. And at about the same speed?
- Yes, sir; as far as I know.
1043. When did you next see the captain?
- When I came out of the quarters, after the impact.
1044. You mean that he did not return to the bridge until your watch expired?
- No, sir.
1045. About 10 o'clock?
- Yes, sir.
1046. You left?
- Yes, sir.
1047. And Murdoch took command?
- Yes, sir.
1048. Do you know where you were at the hour that you turned over the watch to Mr. Murdoch?
- Not now, sir.
1049. Did you know at the time?
- Yes, sir.
1050. Can you give us any idea?
- When I ended the watch we roughly judged that we should be getting toward the vicinity of the ice, as reported by that Marconigram that I saw, somewhere about 11 o'clock.
1051. That you would be in that latitude?
- Longitude
1052. At 11 o'clock.
- Somewhere about 11; yes.
1053. Did you talk with Mr. Murdoch about that phase of it when you left the watch?
- About what?
1054. I say, did you talk with Mr. Murdoch about the iceberg situation when you left the watch?
- No, sir.
1055. Did he ask you anything about it?
- No, sir.
1056. What was said between you?
- We remarked on the weather, about its being calm, clear. We remarked the distance we could see. We seemed to be able to see a long distance. Everything was very clear. We could see the stars setting down to the horizon.
1057. It was cold, was it not?
- Yes, sir.
1058. Sharp?
- Yes, sir.
1059. How cold was it?
- Thirty-one, sir.
1060. Above zero?
- Thirty-one degrees above zero, yes, sir.
1061. Is that unusually cold for that longitude?
- No, sir.
1062. At that time of the year?
- No, sir.
1063. Did you see Mr. Murdoch after that?
- Yes, sir; I saw him when I came out of the quarters after the impact.
1064. Where was he?
- On the bridge.
1065. With the captain?
- One on one side, and one on the other side of the bridge; one on each side.
1066. Did you speak to him after that?
- No, sir.
1067. I mean after he took the watch?
- No, sir.
1068. You never spoke to him again?
- No; sir.
1069. You were not together when finally parted from the ship?
- No, sir.
1070. You saw him on the bridge at the time?
- Immediately after the impact; yes, sir.
1071. Did he remain there until the end?
- He was getting the boats out on the starboard side later on.
1072. Later?
- Yes, sir.
1073. Did you see him at that work?
- No, sir; I was on the port side.
1074. How do you know that he did it?
- I saw him at the last boat.
1075. Just what time he left the bridge, I don't suppose you know?
- No, sir.
1076. Where did you last see the captain?
- On the boat deck, sir.
1077. On the boat deck?
- Yes, sir.
1078. How long before the vessel sank?
- I could not say, sir; I saw him about the boat deck two or three times. I had no occasion to go to him.
1079. Was the vessel broken in two in any manner, or intact?
- Absolutely intact.
1080. On the decks?
- Intact, sir.
1081. When you came out of your room after the impact, did you see any ice on the decks?
- No, sir.
1082. Did you see or hear any exclamations of pain?
- No, sir.
1083. Do you know whether anyone was injured?
- No, sir.
1084. By ice on deck?
- No, sir.
1085. Tell us, as nearly as you can, just where you saw the captain last, with reference to the sinking of this ship.
- I think the bridge was the last place I saw him, sir; I am not sure. I think he was crossing the bridge.
1086. What do you mean by that?
- Walking across.
1087. From one side to the other?
- No, sir; just coming across. I merely recognized a glimpse. I have a slight recollection of having seen him whilst I was walking. It is my recollection that I saw him crossing the bridge. I think that was the last.
1088. How large was this bridge? How large was it on the Titanic?
- It extends the width of the hip, sir.
1089. It extend the width of the ship?
- Yes, sir; and 18 inches over each side.
1090. And how far forward?
- In amidships, about 20 feet; in the wings, about 10 feet.
1091. When you saw him was he giving any orders?
- I was not near enough to know, sir.
1092. How near were you?
- About 50 feet away.
1093. What did he seem to be doing - pacing?
- No, sir; not pacing. Just walking straight across, as if he had some object that he was walking toward.
1094. He was walking from one side to the other?
- Yes, sir; from starboard to port.
1095. Did that give him a full sweep of view of the situation?
- Yes, sir.
1096. If he had been giving orders would you have heard them?
- Yes, sir.
1097. And you did not hear any such thing at that time?
- At that time; no, sir.
1098. What were the last orders you heard him give?
- When I asked him, "Shall I put the women and children in the boats?" he replied, "Yes; and lower away." Those were the last orders he gave.
1099. Where was he at that time?
- About abreast the No. 6 boat.
1100. How long was that before the ship sunk?
- Approximately somewhere about a quarter to 1, say. I don't know what time it was, sir. It would be only a guess.
1101. It was after this impact?
- Yes, sir.
1102. After the collision?
- Yes, sir.
1103. And about how long after? What time did the collision occur?
- I do not know. I understand - I only gather it - that it occurred shortly before 12 o'clock.
1104. When you heard it, did you look at your watch or make a note of it?
- No, sir.
1105. How long was the vessel afloat after this collision?
- That I do not know either, only from what I was told.
1106. What were you told?
- I was told she sunk at 2:20.
1107. Who told you that?
- We came to the conclusion amongst the officers, by various indications.
1108. Did any officer that you communicated with know the exact moment of this impact or collision?
- That I could not say, sir.
1109. Of course you had a watch with you?
- No, sir.
1110. Did you have a watch in your room?
- In my room; yes, sir.
1111. Did you keep it or is it gone?
- Oh, it is gone, sir.
1112. You did not know whether it was running or stopped? You did not look at it?
- I did not look at it, sir.
1113. You asked the captain on the boat deck whether the lifeboats should take the women and children first, if I understand you correctly?
- Not quite, sir; I asked him: "Shall I put the women and children in the boats?" The captain replied, "Yes, and lower away."
1114. What did you then do?
- I carried out his orders.
1115. Except as to this one boat that could not be lowered?
- I am speaking of the port side of the ship. I was running the port side only.
1116. Were all the boats lowered on the port side?
- They were all lowered with the exception of one, the last boat, which was stowed on top of the officers' quarters. We had not time to launch it nor yet to open it.
1117. I did not get the first word, Was it injured?
- No, sir; I said it was stowed on top of the officers' quarters. And when all the other boats were carried away, I called for the men to go up there, told them to cut her adrift and throw her down.
1118. How did it happen to be stowed up there? Was that an unusual place for it?
- No, sir.
1119. Well, what happened to that boat?
- It floated off the ship, sir.
1120. It floated off?
- Yes.
1121. Without anyone in it?
- I understand the men standing on top, who assisted to launch it down, jumped onto it as it was on the deck and floated off with it.
1122. What type of boat was it?
- Collapsible.
1123. Did you see it afterwards?
- Eventually. It was the boat that I got on.
1124. Eventually that was the boat that you got on?
- Yes, sir; bottom up.
1125. Did you see the captain after that final order with reference to the women and children?
- Yes, sir.
1126. Where?
- Walking across the bridge, sir.
1127. Did you have any further communication with him?
- No, sir; none.
1128. So far as you know, was that the last place that he was seen?
- I could not say, sir.
1129. You don't know what occurred to the captain after that?
- No, sir.
1130. This lifeboat which was taken from the top of the officers' quarters, and that you finally reached, contained how many people?
- When it floated off the ship?
1131. Yes.
- I could not say how many.
1132. How many after you had gotten into it?
- We were thrown off a couple of times. It was cleared; it was a flat collapsible boat. When I came to it, it was bottom up, and there was no one on it.
1133. No one on it?
- And it was on the other side of the ship.
1134. What did you do when you came to it?
- I hung on to it.
1135. You floated with it merely?
- Yes, sir.
1136. Was that all the service it ever rendered? Was that the only service this lifeboat performed?
- No, sir. Eventually about 30 of us got in it
1137. Tell us just how it occurred.
- From the time the ship went down you mean?
1138. No; from the time you found this overturned lifeboat.
- Yes, sir. Immediately after finding that overturned lifeboat, and when I came up alongside of it, there were quite a lot of us in the water around it preparatory to getting up on it.
1139. With life preservers?
- Yes, sir. Then the forward funnel fell down
1140. Were there any persons there without life preservers?
- No, sir. Not that I know of. The forward funnel falling down, it fell alongside of the lifeboat, about 4 inches clear of it.
1141. What was this that fell?
- The forward funnel.
1142. Did it strike the boat?
- It missed the boat.
1143. Then what?
- It fell on all the people there were alongside of the boat, if there were any there.
1144. Injure any of them seriously?
- I could not say, sir.
1145. Did it kill anybody?
- I could not say, sir.
1146. Was this vessel sinking pretty rapidly at that time?
- Pretty quickly, sir.
1147. Do you know any of the men who were in the water as you were and who boarded this lifeboat?
- Yes, sir.
1148. Give their names.
- Mr. Thayer, a first class passenger; the second Marconi operator - I can tell you his name in a minute - Bride.
1149. Was that the boat that Col. Gracie -
- Oh, yes; and Col. Gracie.
1150. Col. Gracie of the United States Army?
- I think I have his card.
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