11670. Mr. Lightoller, are you familiar with the ship's crew of the Titanic when she left Southampton, and at the time of the accident?
- You are speaking of the seamen, are you, sir?
11671. Yes.
- Yes, sir.
11672. Have you ever known Luis Klein?
- Not amongst the seamen.
11673. Was there such a member of the crew of the Titanic?
- I am given to understand that there was one man named Klein, who was a second class barber. That man is personally known to me. He is the only Klein who was on board so far as I know.
11674. Did he survive?
- He did not.
11675. Who was the barber? Do you recall him by name?
- Klein.
11676. No; I do not mean him. This was the assistant - Klein, the man you speak of. I want to know who the barber was. Who was the principal barber on that ship?
- The first class barber?
11677. Yes.
- I forget his name, sir.
11678. Do you know whether he survived?
- He did not.
11679. I would like to have you be very sure of that, sir.
- Of which, sir?
11680. Of that last statement. Will you kindly make yourself very certain of that? I am in communication with the first class barber, who is an American, the only American, I believe, who was in the crew, and I would like to have you think over whether there was more than the one first class barber, so that we have no conflict about this man.
- To the best of my knowledge and belief the fist-class barber was not saved unless I have been misinformed. (After consulting memorandum) I am very sorry, sir; I see that the first class barber is here.
11681. What is his name?
- Whitman or Whiteman? [August Weikman]
11682. W-h-i-t-m-a-n?
- Yes.
11683. I have just been handed by a surviving passenger a memorandum, and he says that this barber is now at Palmyra, N. J. Would you like to correct your statement in that respect?
- Yes; I would. The first class barber evidently is the survivor.
11684. But you are positive that the only Klein in the crew did not survive?
- He did not survive, to the best of my knowledge and belief.
11685. Did you see a man here in my office this week who claimed to be Lewis Klein, a surviving member of the crew of the Titanic?
- I believe that I did, sir.
11686. Had you ever seen him before?
- Never.
11687. (Senator Fletcher.) Could he have been the stowaway who was found in one of the lifeboats?
- I really could not say, sir. I know the man that Senator Smith speaks of as being in his office, and I certainly never saw him before.
11688. (Senator Smith3) You recall that the stowaway referred to as having sneaked into the boat with a shawl and a dress on had a broken arm? This man you saw in my office did not have a broken arm, did he?
- Not as far as I could see, sir.
11689. Do you know who made up the list of the surviving members of the crew?
- I made up the list for the seamen and Hardy, the assistant second class steward, made up a list for the victualing department.
11690. Was any list made on the Carpathia of the survivors of the crew?
- Yes.
11691. And you feel that you have an accurate list?
- I feel that I have. I went through all the seamen and firemen personally. The stewards I left to Mr. Hardy to identify.
11692. Is Mr. Hardy here?
- We can get him in a few minutes. He has gone to his hotel.
11693. I would like to have Mr. Hardy called, and I would like to ask you if you have filed with the committee a complete list of the surviving members of the crew, as requested?
- No, sir; not the complete list; not that I remember. I have given it to two or three. I do not know whether I gave it to the committee.
11694. Will you kindly supply the committee with a complete list?
- Yes.
11695. And I would like it, if possible, during the day.
- I will have it done at once.
11696. I would like to have it indicate the vocation of each.
- Exactly.
11697. And, if possible, give the full name of each.
- Yes.
Senator Smith:
And his place of residence.
(Witness Excused.)