Senator SMITH.
Mr. Lightoller, are you familiar with the ship's crew of the Titanic when she left Southampton, and at the time of the accident?
Mr. LIGHTOLLER.
You are speaking of the seamen, are you, sir?
Senator SMITH.
Yes.
Mr. LIGHTOLLER.
Yes, sir.
Senator SMITH.
Have you ever known Luis Klein?
Mr. LIGHTOLLER.
Not amongst the seamen.
Senator SMITH.
Was there such a member of the crew of the Titanic?
Mr. LIGHTOLLER.
I am given to understand that there was one man named Klein, who was a second class barber. That man is personally known to me. He is the only Klein who was on board so far as I know.
Senator SMITH.
Did he survive?
Mr. LIGHTOLLER.
He did not.
Senator SMITH.
Who was the barber? Do you recall him by name?
Mr. LIGHTOLLER.
Klein.
Senator SMITH.
No; I do not mean him. This was the assistant - Klein, the man you speak of. I want to know who the barber was. Who was the principal barber on that ship?
Mr. LIGHTOLLER.
The first class barber?
Senator SMITH.
Yes.
Mr. LIGHTOLLER.
I forget his name, sir.
Senator SMITH.
Do you know whether he survived?
Mr. LIGHTOLLER.
He did not.
Senator SMITH.
I would like to have you be very sure of that, sir.
Mr. LIGHTOLLER.
Of which, sir?
Senator SMITH.
Of that last statement. Will you kindly make yourself very certain of that? I am in communication with the first class barber, who is an American, the only American, I believe, who was in the crew, and I would like to have you think over whether there was more than the one first class barber, so that we have no conflict about this man.
Mr. LIGHTOLLER.
To the best of my knowledge and belief the fist-class barber was not saved unless I have been misinformed. (After consulting memorandum) I am very sorry, sir; I see that the first class barber is here.
Senator SMITH.
What is his name?
Mr. LIGHTOLLER.
Whitman or Whiteman? [August Weikman]
Senator SMITH.
W-h-i-t-m-a-n?
Mr. LIGHTOLLER.
Yes.
Senator SMITH.
I have just been handed by a surviving passenger a memorandum, and he says that this barber is now at Palmyra, N. J. Would you like to correct your statement in that respect?
Mr. LIGHTOLLER.
Yes; I would. The first class barber evidently is the survivor.
Senator SMITH.
But you are positive that the only Klein in the crew did not survive?
Mr. LIGHTOLLER.
He did not survive, to the best of my knowledge and belief.
Senator SMITH.
Did you see a man here in my office this week who claimed to be Lewis Klein, a surviving member of the crew of the Titanic?
Mr. LIGHTOLLER.
I believe that I did, sir.
Senator SMITH.
Had you ever seen him before?
Mr. LIGHTOLLER.
Never.
Senator FLETCHER.
Could he have been the stowaway who was found in one of the lifeboats?
Mr. LIGHTOLLER.
I really could not say, sir. I know the man that Senator Smith speaks of as being in his office, and I certainly never saw him before.
Senator SMITH.
You recall that the stowaway referred to as having sneaked into the boat with a shawl and a dress on had a broken arm? This man you saw in my office did not have a broken arm, did he?
Mr. LIGHTOLLER.
Not as far as I could see, sir.
Senator SMITH.
Do you know who made up the list of the surviving members of the crew?
Mr. LIGHTOLLER.
I made up the list for the seamen and Hardy, the assistant second class steward, made up a list for the victualing department.
Senator SMITH.
Was any list made on the Carpathia of the survivors of the crew?
Mr. LIGHTOLLER.
Yes.
Senator SMITH.
And you feel that you have an accurate list?
Mr. LIGHTOLLER.
I feel that I have. I went through all the seamen and firemen personally. The stewards I left to Mr. Hardy to identify.
Senator SMITH.
Is Mr. Hardy here?
Mr. LIGHTOLLER.
We can get him in a few minutes. He has gone to his hotel.
Senator SMITH.
I would like to have Mr. Hardy called, and I would like to ask you if you have filed with the committee a complete list of the surviving members of the crew, as requested?
Mr. LIGHTOLLER.
No, sir; not the complete list; not that I remember. I have given it to two or three. I do not know whether I gave it to the committee.
Senator SMITH.
Will you kindly supply the committee with a complete list?
Mr. LIGHTOLLER.
Yes.
Senator SMITH.
And I would like it, if possible, during the day.
Mr. LIGHTOLLER.
I will have it done at once.
Senator SMITH.
I would like to have it indicate the vocation of each.
Mr. LIGHTOLLER.
Exactly.
Senator SMITH.
And, if possible, give the full name of each.
Mr. LIGHTOLLER.
Yes.
Senator SMITH.
And his place of residence.
(Witness excused.)